The reality was not nearly so dashing |
It's been a while since the last post, and while I have not been recording the information here, I have little by little garnered more family history from many lines. The Biggles stories, written from the 1930s until quite recently, concern the exploits of a heroic aviator. Captain W. E. Johns, the author of the series, was a Royal Flying Corps pilot during World War One, and so some firsthand experience is evident. However, the series was written to entertain adolscent boys with stories of adventurous exploits. They are dated in language, and in their use of national and racial stereotypes, neither of which caught my attention when our elementary school teacher read us some Biggles back in the 1970s. We just looked forward to Friday afternoons.
My previous post for this side of the family was Sailing Three Generations, in which I looked at the lines Parks, Hardman and Hatt. Here I will begin with the Strouds. Today's entry, still on my father's side, is looking to his mother's ancestors. Unity Gwendolyn Stroud was known by many as Una, and to me as "Nan Stuart". Her parents are Henry Stroud and Edith Violet Parks. I never knew the former, but the latter was "Nan-mum". Shortly before she died, she returned various small gifts to those who had given them. Since my father had already died, she returned to me a gift that he had given her.
I begin with the marriage certificate of my great grandparents, for their marriage at St James Chapel, Aldborough Hatch on 28 October 1916 (BMD Marriage Index Dec1916 Romford 4a 975):
Groom's name: Henry Stroud
Groom's age and condition: 28 Bachelor
Groom's occupation: 2nd Lieutenant R.F.C.
[Royal Flying Corps]
Groom's residence: Barley Hall, Little Heath
Groom's father/occupation: Robert Stroud Contractor & Builder
Bride's name: Edith Violet Parks
Bride's age and condition: 23 Spinster
Bride's residence: 69 S. Alban's Road, Seven Kings
Bride's father/occupation: George William Parks Waterman
Signed: Henry Stroud/Edith Violet Parks
Witnesses: Arthur Stroud/George William Parks/Dorothy Amy Parks
Arthur Stroud, as we will see, is a brother of Henry, while George William Parks is Edith's father, and Dorothy Amy Parks is her cousin.
Just as for Ardeshir Kapadia and Zoe Young Hanrott, there are three census returns for the family of Robert Parks and Charlotte Norris.
First, the 1891 England Census at 1 Sams Green, Ilford
Robert Stroud Head M 35 Sewer Contractor Builder Middlesex, Hanwell
Charlotte Wife M 33 Worcestershire, Dudley
Robert Son 7 Scholar Surrey, Battersea
Lottie Daur 6 Scholar Surrey, Battersea
Benjamin Son 4 Essex, Ilford
Henry Son 2 Essex, Ilford
Then, the 1901 England Census at Little Heath House, Aldborough Hatch, Ilford, Essex
Robert Stroud Head M 45 Contractor Employer Middlesex, Homwell [sic]
Charlotte Wife M 43 Shropshire, Dudley
Robert Son 17 Worker Surrey, Battersea
Lottie Daur 16 Worker Surrey, Battersea
Benjamin Son 14 Worker Essex, Ilford
Henry Son 12 Essex, Ilford
Arthur Son 9 Essex, Ilford
George Son 8 Essex, Ilford
Edith Daur 4 Essex, Ilford
Elizabeth Daur 1 Essex, Ilford
and servant Louisa Braner
And lastly, the 1911 England Census at Barley Hall, Goodmayes, Ilford, Essex.
Robert Stroud Head 55 Married Builder Brickmaker Farmer Hanwell, Middlesex
Charlotte Wife 53 Married Dudley, Worcestershire
Benjamin Son 24 Single Son assisting in the business
(Farm Work) Ilford, Essex
Henry Son 22 Single Son assisting in the business
(General Office Work) Ilford, Essex
Arthur Son 19 Single Son assisting in the business
(Brickmaking Work) Ilford, Essex
George William Son 18 Single Son assisting in the business
(Farm Work) Ilford, Essex
Edith Daughter 14 School Ilford, Essex
Elizabeth Daughter 12 School Ilford, Essex
and two servants plus a servant's wife.First, the 1891 England Census at 1 Sams Green, Ilford
Robert Stroud Head M 35 Sewer Contractor Builder Middlesex, Hanwell
Charlotte Wife M 33 Worcestershire, Dudley
Robert Son 7 Scholar Surrey, Battersea
Lottie Daur 6 Scholar Surrey, Battersea
Benjamin Son 4 Essex, Ilford
Henry Son 2 Essex, Ilford
Then, the 1901 England Census at Little Heath House, Aldborough Hatch, Ilford, Essex
Robert Stroud Head M 45 Contractor Employer Middlesex, Homwell [sic]
Charlotte Wife M 43 Shropshire, Dudley
Robert Son 17 Worker Surrey, Battersea
Lottie Daur 16 Worker Surrey, Battersea
Benjamin Son 14 Worker Essex, Ilford
Henry Son 12 Essex, Ilford
Arthur Son 9 Essex, Ilford
George Son 8 Essex, Ilford
Edith Daur 4 Essex, Ilford
Elizabeth Daur 1 Essex, Ilford
and servant Louisa Braner
And lastly, the 1911 England Census at Barley Hall, Goodmayes, Ilford, Essex.
Robert Stroud Head 55 Married Builder Brickmaker Farmer Hanwell, Middlesex
Charlotte Wife 53 Married Dudley, Worcestershire
Benjamin Son 24 Single Son assisting in the business
(Farm Work) Ilford, Essex
Henry Son 22 Single Son assisting in the business
(General Office Work) Ilford, Essex
Arthur Son 19 Single Son assisting in the business
(Brickmaking Work) Ilford, Essex
George William Son 18 Single Son assisting in the business
(Farm Work) Ilford, Essex
Edith Daughter 14 School Ilford, Essex
Elizabeth Daughter 12 School Ilford, Essex
Robert and Charlotte had been married 28 years, had 11 children of which 8 were still alive (with six of those still living at Barley Hall in 1911).
Here is some BMD data and, in some cases, more for the children of Robert and Charlotte:
Robert Benjamin George Stroud
BMD Birth Index Jun1883 Wandsworth 1d 713
Baptised at St Peter Battersea 2 September 1883
(date of birth 5 June 1883)
BMD Marriage Index Sep1909 Ongar 4a 872 (Florence Stafford)
1911 census at 66 Cambridge Road, Seven Kings
BMD Death Index Dec1953 Ilford 5a 339 Age: 70
National Probate Calendar 20 January 1955
(date of death 26 December 1953)
Lottie Stroud
BMD Birth Index Dec1884 Wandsworth 1d 679
Baptised at St Peter Battersea 26 October 1884
(date of birth 19 September 1884)
Baptised at St Peter Battersea 26 October 1884
(date of birth 19 September 1884)
BMD Marriage Index Dec1908 W Ham 4a 430 (to William Jameson)
1911 census at Green Lane, 4 Broomhill Market, Goodmayes, Ilford
1911 census at Green Lane, 4 Broomhill Market, Goodmayes, Ilford
BMD Death Index Mar1963 Braintree 4a 572 Age:78 (as Lottie Jameson)
National Probate Calendar 23 May 1963
(date of death 3 March 1963)
(date of death 3 March 1963)
BMD Birth Index Dec1886 Romford 4a 337
BMD Marriage Index Sep1911 Lambeth 1d 457 (to Alice Maud Turner)
Married at St Paul Brixton 4 July 1911 to Alice Maud Turner
Married at St Paul Brixton 4 July 1911 to Alice Maud Turner
BMD Death Index Mar1945 Romford 4a 717 Age:58
National Probate Calendar 1 August 1952
(date of death 13 March 1945)
(date of death 13 March 1945)
BMD Birth Index Sep1888 Romford 4a 327
BMD Marriage Index Dec1916 Romford 4a 975 (to Edith Violet Parks)
BMD Death Index Dec1952 Ilford 5a 470 Age:64
National Probate Calendar 15 Jan 1955
(date of death 18 December 1952)
The National Archives have records for 2nd Lieut Henry Stroud Royal Flying Corps WO 339/61990 (not digitized), and Air Ministry records AIR76/488/154 (digitized) have his date of birth as 20 August 1888.
(date of death 18 December 1952)
The National Archives have records for 2nd Lieut Henry Stroud Royal Flying Corps WO 339/61990 (not digitized), and Air Ministry records AIR76/488/154 (digitized) have his date of birth as 20 August 1888.
There are several Arthur Strouds born around this time; the one in Romford makes the most sense. The death record is for a Stroud of the right age, but could be one of a few. However, several public trees do have the 9 July 1945 date of death. The BMD Death Index for Ethel Maud Stroud has her age at 33, although, if his wife, I suspect this is a misprint for 53 from the original death certificate.
BMD Birth Index Sep1891 Romford 4a 379
BMD Marriage Index Mar1917 Romford 4a 733 (to Ethel M Porter)
BMD Death Index Sep1945 Stepney 1c 67 Age:54
National Probate Calendar 22 Jan 1947
(date of death 9 July 1945 - and Ethel Maud Stroud of same address,
13 Epsom road, Seven Kings had died 4 July 1945)
(date of death 9 July 1945 - and Ethel Maud Stroud of same address,
13 Epsom road, Seven Kings had died 4 July 1945)
There are not many George William Strouds, and these are the most likely birth and corresponding death records. No obvious candidate for a marriage record without more information.
BMD Birth Index Mar1893 Romford 4a 419
BMD Death Index Mar1970 Newham 5e 2204 Age:77
(date of birth 13 February 1893)
(date of birth 13 February 1893)
BMD Birth Index Jun1897 Romford 4a 442
BMD Birth Index Dec1899 Romford 4a 521
Searching the freebmd.org.uk BMD Death Index for young Strouds in the Wandsworth and Romford registration districts yields many possibilities for the three children who had died before the 1911 census.
Barley Hall |
Henry Stroud died at his house "Rowallan", Little Heath, Chadwell Heath on the 18th December 1952, according to the National Probate Calendar. This is also the address of Barley Hall. Looking at the site of Barley Hall, there is a Strouds Close nearby, and also Rowallan House nursing home, all evidence of the relationship between Corbett, Stroud and the building of Ilford.
Returning to the marriage record for my great grandparents, Henry Stroud's occupation is given as 2nd Lieutenant Royal Flying Corps, this being two years into the Great War. The National Archives hold service records for our Henry Stroud. As well as his name and rank, AIR76/488/154 gives his address as 23 Barley Gdns, Barley Lane, Ilford and the person to be informed of casualty as Mrs. E.V. Stroud.
After extensive, at least time-consuming, training at 2 School of Aeronautics Oxford, Central Flying School, and with reserve squadrons. In October 1916, he was married, and shortly after that my Nan Stuart was conceived. There is a period in February and March 1917 when he was not medically fit for service. Declared "fit GS" (General Service) on 2 April 1917, 2nd Lieutenant Henry Stroud found himself on the Western Front in time for the allied offensive on Arras (9 April to 16 May) in which the Royal Flying Corps was heavily involved. A note next to this service indicates that he flew in BE2e two-seater biplanes, probably in a reconnaissance role, since this was the specialty of 16 Squadron to which he was assigned.
The picture (from wikipedia) shows an intelligence officer briefing a crew of an RE8 prior to a reconnaisance mission, posed perhaps, but more recognizable to Henry Stroud than the Biggles cover!
This time became known Bloody April due to high losses in aircrew. Arriving 18 April, Henry Stroud was likely a replacement pilot. By May 1917, rafweb.org reports, 16 Squadron was re-equipped with the RE8, a slightly more modern airplane. By June, he had been reassigned to 4 Squadron - also flying RE8s - in time for the Battle of Messines (4 to 14 June 1917).
Henry Stroud's service with the Royal Flying Corps came to an abrupt end shortly thereafter, being wounded on 17 June. After several months of medical boards declaring him unfit for service, his record concludes chronologically with the remark that on 21 May 1918, that he "relinquished his Commission on account of ill health caused by wounds and is granted the Hon rank of Lieut".
Hallo Alan -Stuart Tilley,
ReplyDeleteI was amazed to find your splendid blog on the Stroud and Parks families. Henry & Edith Stroud were your great grandparents and my
grand parents ! I am the son of Audrey P. Stroud daughter of Henry & Edith , who married Maurice Harper. I was given to adoption ( as my father was not Maurice ) and have the name Wilson now. All the same, your researches have given me a wonderful insight to my ancestors on my Mother´s side. Quite amazing the lineage.
We must be related somehow and I suppose you must be the nephew of either Unity, Olive, Audrey, Myrtle, Ian, Patricia or Henry Stroud ????
Congratulations again on your research skills. I only found my Mother last year after many years of research but she passed away this year at age 92.
I would appreciate to hear from you !
Best regards,
Peter Wilson
Hamburg, Germany
Hi Peter,
ReplyDeleteI'm so pleased you found the blog, and contacted me. You can send an email to stuarttilleygen@gmail.com, and I can share more information. Unity Gwendoline Stroud is my grandmother, which makes us 1st cousins 1x removed.
I'm sorry your mother died only a year after you found her, and hope you found your reunion meaningful.
Alan
Hi Alan,
ReplyDeleteI was very interested to find your blog on Henry Stroud, as I have little information on my Grandfather. Henry & Edith Stroud were my Grandparents.
Ian Stroud being my father, Una ( Unity ), Olive, Audrey, Myrtle, Pat & Henry being my aunties and uncle.
So that must make you and Peter my cousins too.
Please feel free to contact me if you have any questions or information for me.
Warmest Regards,
Stephen Stroud
Hi Stephen,
DeleteGreat to hear from you. You may have found this already, if you click on the Stroud, Parks, etc. label on the right hand side bar, you will find posts on previous Stroud, Parks, etc. generations. Also, there is a link to a page describing the pedigree of my Father's maternal Grandparents.
Feel free to email me at stuarttilleygen@gmail.com
Kind regards,
Alan
I only just saw your message to Alan today. We are indeed cousins as Ian Stroud was your father and my mother Audrey, his sister.
DeleteIf you are interested , please contact me at peter.wilson17@gmail.com
Best regards, Peter Wilson
Hi Alan
ReplyDeleteMy connection is through Benjamin Stroud who married my first cousin twice removed, Alice Maud Turner. Do you know why Robert Stroud's wife's (Charlotte Norris/Beldom) father changed the family name to Beldom and then back to Norris?
Rosemary
Hi Rosemary,
DeleteThank you for getting in touch.
You raise a very good question to which I do not know the answer. If anyone out there has any ideas, I'd be interested to hear from you. Also, stay tuned, because I am preparing a post that at least lays out the documentary evidence for this Norris/Beldom mystery.
Alan
Hi Rosemary,
DeleteI have now posted - belatedly - on this topic.
http://stuarttilleygenealogy.blogspot.com/2016/05/norris-beldom-mystery.html
Best regards,
Alan
Hello Alan
ReplyDeleteRobert Stroud is my maternal great great grandfather. Benjamin is my great grandfather. I really enjoyed reading your blog.
Steven
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DeleteHi Alan,
ReplyDeleteI am following your blogs with great interest. I am Rebecca Perchard (nee Harper) - youngest daughter of Maurice & Audrey Pamela Harper (nee Stroud). My maternal grandparents were Henry Robert Stroud & Edith Violet Stroud (nee Parks). Stephen Stroud (commenter above) is my cousin and Peter John Wilson (commenter above) is my eldest brother. You are my 1st cousin 1x removed.
Regarding our family's genealogy, I have very little further information, but I have found my
great uncle Arthur Stroud's gravestone (amongst many others in Aldeborough Hatch, Ilford) and can confirm that he died on 9th July 1945 at age 55. He is buried with his wife. The gravestone states she was "Ethel nee Porter who died 4th July 1945 aged 54 years".
Hi Alan,
ReplyDeleteI've just come across your blog whilst helping my son (Harry - named after Henry Stroud!) do is Family Tree homework! Henry Stroud was my grandfather (Patricia Stroud being my mother). Peter, Stephen and Becky are my cousins - we are all in touch! I will spend some time reading your blog and will show Mum, who will be really interested. We have further information on Henry, which Becky may have already filled you in on. I started a profile on him on the Lives of the First World War website but I've not had time to complete it as yet. Best wishes, Pippa
Hello Pippa. We are related in some way I cannot determine without a family tree. Benjamin was my great grandfather.
DeleteHi there
ReplyDeleteI am Martin Harper - Maurice Harper's eldest son, but a younger brother of Peter Wilson.
Henry Stroud wrote to the War Office in May 1916 applying for an appointment to the Royal Flying Corps. He stated that he was "prepared if necessary to pay all fees etc. to learn to fly and qualify as a Pilot, as soon as I know that I can be attached to the Royal Flying Corps."
Henry Stroud's application for Appointment to the Special Reserve of Officers as a RFC Pilot gives his permanent address as Barley Hall, Ilford, Essex and this occupation as Builder & Contractor, Brickmaker and Farmer.
Best wishes
Martin
Hi, I am Philippa Kennard and I am the grand daughter of Elizabeth Stroud. Betty was one of the first RGNs to quality and worked at Whipps Cross. She lived in Kent where her daughter Jeanette and myself grew up.
ReplyDeleteCant believe I've found a family connection after all these years!
hi all, I've just come across an old page from an address book which I think belonged to Elizather Stroud my grandmother and it contains addresses for Ian Stroud (Pembury and Tonbridge), Kenneth (Chadwell Heath) and Gerald (Ilford. Any idea who these last two are?
ReplyDeleteHi Philippa, I think your grandmother´s brother Henry was my grandfather. Nice to know you have found a family connection as i did a few years ago.( see first answer in the blog ) Peter Wilson, Hamburg, Germany
ReplyDeleteHi, my grandparents were Benjamin Stroud and Alice Maud Stroud née Turner. Of Padnall Grove Farm. I am daughter of their son Henry Francis Stroud. I remember visiting the farm as a child with my parents.
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